but the center for education reformays the charter movement has gone wrong. what happened is an example. >> my group have put together an application to start a charter school and we have been repeatedly stonewalled 57 becau of your own daughter's experience you've got together with people and said we will start a charter. >> the first application was 100 pages could. denied. >> they said there was not a need we had typographical errors in the application. john: wouldn't mcdonald's like to say that to burger king? >> yes. john: you try again. >> we fixed them and we got more people involved and we needed to show more apparent support. the first application d 70 letters the second was 125 letters. still denied. john: six times. this is typical. >> it is more and mo typical. all-purpose of the charter school movement was to create new publi schools, held accountable but free from most rules and regulation. t government encroaches everyday on people who want to start schools. john: the blob in charge they don't that mpetition state education department even the